Kill AB 1877

I sent the following letter to California Assembly members regarding AB 1877, a proposed bill which is being heard by the California Assembly Judiciary Committee on March 25. If passed, this bill would would potentially allow the court to sanction parents, or even to switch custody, for showing a custody evaluation report to law enforcement, a non court-appointed therapist, an oversight agency, or any organization trying to rectify problems in the family court system:

Re: NO to AB 1877

Custody evaluators function primarily to turn criminal domestic violence and child abuse cases into family court custody disputes. Evaluators' reports underlie rampant family court related corruption and fraud, and are the basis of enacting Conciliation Court Law in place of more appropriate family codes and other laws:

http://www.newsmakingnews.com/ross,familycourtcorrupt2nd2,19,03.htm

Custody evaluators are already threatening the integrity of the criminal justice system and the safety of abuse victims. Their bogus "alienation" theories, e.g., Parental Alienation Syndrome (PAS), have been identified as obstructing prosecution and otherwise preventing proper adjudication of abuse cases:

http://www.ndaa.org/publications/newsletters/update_volume_16_number_6_2003.html
http://www.ndaa-apri.org/publications/newsletters/update_volume_16_number_7_2003.html

Custody evaluations are specifically crafted to conceal evidence and to shift blame, so that parents reporting abuse (almost exclusively mothers) are dismissed as dysfunctional and vindictive alienators making false allegations. Dishonest, often outright fabricated evaluation reports are the basis of court-ordered PAS "threats", calling for women and children to be punished not only through custody switches and supervised visitation, but in jails and mental institutions:

http://www.fact.on.ca/Info/pas/gard99m.htm
http://www.batteredmotherscustodyconference.org/letting_children_speak.htm

In February 2000, investigative reporter Karen Winner issued, "Findings on Judge Michael Dufficy, Commissioner Sylvia Shapiro and Court Appointees in Marin County Superior Court in California". The Winner Report included at least one case where a secretive evaluation report (which the mother was not permitted to see) was used to justify diverting child support funds to court-appointed evaluator, Nancy Olesen, and to court-appointed attorney for the minor child, Mary Halbert. (Since the release of the Winner Report, the National Alliance for Family Court Justice has also obtained documents detailing approximately $30,000 in improper payments made to these court appointees by the County of Marin.): Click here: http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/1/16/1702195/WinnerReport.pdf

We do not need more laws providing secrecy to custody evaluators. AB 1877 is dangerous legislation which will allow evaluators to continue engaging in surreptitious case rigging activity and other misconduct, while helping conceal their role in facilitating outrageous, illegal and unsafe custody recommendations and rulings:
http://www.centerforjudicialexcellence.org/cjefldocumentary.htm

Please KILL AB 1877.

Cindy Ross
California Director
National Alliance for Family Court Justice

Crooks and Whores: The Joint ABA-APA Conference

In April, the American Bar Association and the American Psychological Association are holding a joint conference in Chicago, featuring some of the worst PAS promoting lawyers and "psychos" from across the country. Following is a letter I sent to ask that this meeting not be permitted to go forward. I also notified Senator Obama's office and the Chicago Tribune.

We need to stop these "crooks and whores" from carrying out their dirty work and trying to systematize the abuse of women and children by entrenching PAS type misogyny and perversion into our legal system.

You can send messages to bruggera@staff.abanet.org and public.affairs@apa.org. Please contact me via email at nafcjcal@aol.com if you have any questions.

Cindy



It has come to our attention that the American Bar Association and the American Psychological Association are holding a joint conference in Chicago:
http://www.abanet.org/family/events/spring08sponsors.shtml

Perhaps lawyers and psychologists "working together" to systematize the abuse of women and children in the guise of resolving custody disputes are better described as crooks and whores. The "alienation" theories they are advancing -- parental alienation syndrome (PAS), PA, etc. -- were not only fabricated as legal defense of child molesters, but are the basis of rampant family court system failure and corruption.

Please refer to the article I wrote in 2003 that sums up how and why PAS underlies what can only be described as federally funded misogyny and pedophile protection, when judges, lawyers, therapists, mediators and custody evaluators affiliated with the Association of Family and Conciliation Courts, work in conjunction with so-called "fathers' rights" and "shared parenting" groups:
http://www.newsmakingnews.com/ross,familycourtcorrupt2nd2,19,03.htm

ABA/APA presenters David Levy (Children's Rights Council), and Joan Kelly (Northern California Mediation Center and Northern California Task Force on the Alienated Child) are among the main individuals who helped craft PAS abuse cover up and blame shifting methodology into model custody switching and "threat therapy" programs, so as to justify capturing federal Access to Visitation Enforcement and similar government grant program funding through the mishandling of abuse cases in family court.

Other conference presenters have been personally involved in crooked cases, or promoting the disgusting PAS agenda. These include Dianna Gould-Saltman -- who was involved in the Clarke-Cowles case in Pasadena CA (a detailed account, A Little Girl's Hell, was originally published in the now-defunct Los Angeles New Times) -- and Nancy Olesen, who was involved in diverting child support payments in a case documented in the Karen Winner report Findings on Judge Michael Dufficy, Commissioner Sylvia Shapiro and Court Appointees in Marin County Superior Court in California (2000).

Please note that since my article was published, Dr. Richard Gardner (who coined the term PAS, and who was a frequent presenter at CRC and other conferences with David Levy) committed suicide, and the American Prosecutors Research Institute issued a report calling PAS the means to obstruct prosecution of abusers, while threatening the integrity of the criminal justice system and the safety of abused children:
http://cincinnatipas.com/dr-richardgardnerautopsy.html
http://www.ndaa.org/publications/newsletters/update_volume_16_number_6_2003.html
http://www.ndaa-apri.org/publications/newsletters/update_volume_16_number_7_2003.html

Thanks to the efforts of lawyers and psychologists like those participating in the Chicago conference, unethical and illegal PAS cases have been documented in reports from across the country (and around the world):
http://www.post-gazette.com/custody/partone.asp
http://www.canow.org/fam_report.pdf
http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/101505FamilyCourt.html
http://www.stopfamilyviolence.org/ocean/host.php?folder=62&page=246

Some work to undermine legislation like CA AB 612 (being reintroduced as AB 2587), which would ban the use of bogus diagnoses like PAS in custody evaluations:
http://www.sbsun.com/sanbernardino/ci_8507683

The situation is especially bad in Marin County, California, home to Dr. Kelly and Dr. Olesen. In 2006, the Town Council of the Town of Fairfax, unanimously passed and adopted Resolution 2466, joining the National Organization for Women in denouncing PAS and calling upon legislators at all levels of government to work toward revising Conciliation Court Law and the Federal Violence Against Women Act, to ensure proper adjudication of abuse cases. Just a few months ago, the Center for Judicial Excellence released Family Court Crisis, Our Children at Risk, to document a few especially egregious Marin County cases:

http://nafcj.net/fairfax.htm
http://www.centerforjudicialexcellence.org/cjefldocumentaryvnr.htm

We strongly object and demand that this conference not be permitted to go forward. Not only should many of the participating ABA and APA members be reprimanded and have their professional licenses revoked, some should also be criminally investigated and indicted.

For further information, please see the NAFCJ website at nafcj.net, and our blog at nafcj.blogspot.com

Cindy Ross
California Director
National Alliance for Family Court Justice
Fairfax, California

The Dad-Vocates

Recently, California Lawyer Magazine published The Dad-Vocates, an article about the fathers' rights movement

Although I don't know if they will actually publish it, I sent this letter in response:

"The article about the fathers' rights movement failed to mention that PAS was coined as a legal defense of child molesters by someone who not only worked to legitimize sexual paraphilias, but committed an especially gruesome suicide:

http://cincinnatipas.com/dr-richardgardnerautopsy.html

Why was there no mention that in 2003, the American Prosecutors Research Institute called PAS the means to obstruct prosecution of abuse cases, while threatening the integrity of the legal system and the safety of abused children? Or, that PAS is the basis of fund diversion and a financial corruption scheme dependent on the deliberate mishandling of abuse cases as custody disputes for profit?

http://www.ndaa.org/publications/newsletters/update_volume_16_number_6_2003.html
http://www.ndaa-apri.org/publications/newsletters/update_volume_16_number_7_2003.html

http://www.newsmakingnews.com/ross,familycourtcorrupt2nd2,19,03.htm

Why didn't you report that in 2006 the Town of Fairfax California adopted Resolution 2466, denouncing use of PAS and calling for changes in California's Conciliation Court Law and the Violence Against Women Act to ensure proper adjudication of abuse cases?
http://nafcj.net/fairfax.htm

You also failed to mention that many in the fathers' rights movement hail convicted murderer Darren Mack as a hero, and that his consultant, Dean Tong, was recently arrested for domestic violence himself:
http://www.sptimes.com/2008/01/30/Hillsborough/Self_styled_false_abu.shtml

There were also glaring omissions about Warren Farrell and Glenn Sacks. Farrell's works include research on incest as reported in Penthouse Magazine, while Sacks works overtime to cover up for Farrell and what he "really" has said and done: http://nafcj.net/taboo1977farrell.pdf

Cindy Ross
National Alliance for Family Court Justice
Fairfax, CA
nafcj.net

Fathers Rights and Conciliation Court Law

I'm in the process of updating the footnoted links, but wanted to post this article, which explains how and why fathers' rights groups and Conciliation Court Law are the basis not only of family court related problems and government program fraud but federally funded misogyny and pedophile protection.

Please note that while Dr. Dick killed himself since this was written, the information is still very much relevant in terms of understanding why the mishandling for profit of DV and child abuse cases is at the core of the corruption scheme:

NEWSMAKINGNEWS.COM
http://www.newsmakingnews.com/ross,familycourtcorrupt2nd2,19,03.htm

Family Court Corruption, Part 2: Fathers' Rights and Conciliation Court Law: Federally funded misogyny and pedophile protection

by Cindy Ross © 2/19/03

Numerous reports have identified bias against women and corruption in family courts across the country. In bizarre and illegal rulings, family court judges ignore or deliberately suppress evidence of male perpetrated family violence and child molest. Fathers who are batterers and sex offenders are routinely granted visitation and custody, while mothers and children trying to escape abuse are punished through financial sanctions, loss of custody, supervised visitation, jail and institutionalization. [1]

Very occasionally, men reporting abuse of their children have also been targeted for retaliation through family court. [2] However, the systematic mishandling of domestic violence and child molest cases as "custody disputes" is based in a financial corruption scheme that calls for diverting grant program funding through "high conflict" cases, in the guise of promoting "fatherhood" and "shared parenting" post-divorce. [3]Rather than assisting men become responsible parents, "Responsible Fatherhood", "Access to Visitation Enforcement" (supervised visitation for noncustodial parents), "Child Support Enforcement" and similar federal programs perpetuate abuse of women and children through the legal system. [4]

Abusive men striving to maintain control over their victims are provided an array of benefits, not only to get custody and get out of paying child support, but to terrorize the mothers of their children and society in general. [5] Government programs are not producing responsible fathers, but motherless children, in order to advance the agenda of the so-called "fathers' rights" movement.

"Fathers' rights" as a political agenda, has nothing to do with actual parenting rights or responsibilities. Fathers' rights organizations are misogynist anarchy and militia groups that define fatherhood in terms of male ownership of children in male-headed households. In order to maintain control over "families", fathers' groups promote violence, advocating the use of "domestic discipline". [6] Their membership is comprised of virulent men "fighting feminism" and affirmative action, establishing "patriarchy under God" and even trying to repeal the 19th Amendment. [7] There are women affiliated with fatherhood groups, primarily second wives who support their husbands in denying ex-wives and biological mothers the right to parent their own children. Identifying themselves as "independent feminists", they also join sociopathic men in fighting obscenity laws and identifying sex and access to pornography as primary fathers' "rights". [8]

Fathers' rights groups have devised strategies that normalize deviant male behavior, while pathologizing normal motherhood. When mothers report domestic violence or child sexual abuse, their complaints are dismissed as a matter of "radical feminists" making malicious and false allegations to turn children against fathers. "False allegations" is the primary tactic used to provide assistance with litigation against women trying to maintain custody of their children in divorces from abusive men. [9]

Criminalizing mothers' attempts to protect their children, legalizing corporal punishment and normalizing father-child sex, are all necessary in order to legitimize court rulings granting pedophiles, batterers and other abusive men visitation rights and custody of children. In family court, this is accomplished through the "Parental Alienation Syndrome" (PAS) legal strategy. [10]

PAS is a fabricated mental disorder, originally coined by Dr. Richard Gardner as a legal defense of child molesters. PAS calls for covering up evidence of abuse by shifting blame to mothers. PAS was crafted into the means for any man to get custody -- no matter how violent or unfit -- through the "umbrella" fathers' rights organization, the Children's Rights Council (CRC, formerly called National Council for Children's Rights). [11]

CRC is cross-affiliated with the Association of Family and Conciliation Courts (AFCC). [12] While CRC claims to promote "shared parenting" and AFCC represents itself as "an association of family, court and community professionals" dedicated to the "constructive resolution of family disputes", these groups conceal their role in a perverse fathers' rights pedophile "ring" operating through family court. Richard Gardner is only one of numerous "experts" connected to CRC/AFCC, who not only promote pedophilia, but seek to destroy children's relationships with their mothers in the name of fatherhood. [13]

Steering cases to AFCC court allies, CRC (and other fathers' group) members get their cases "fixed" using PAS methodology. CRC devised custody switching programs are used to procure federal Access to Visitation Enforcement Program grants for supervised visitation and "Child Access Transfer Centers". [14] Through these centers, evidence of sexual (and physical) abuse is suppressed and mothers are prevented from having normal contact with their children. Mothers are forced to stop complaining about "sharing" the children, or to give up their children altogether, losing all parental rights.

AFCC was originally established in California as the means to enact Conciliation Court Law (CA Family Codes 1800-1852), an obscure set of codes used to prevent divorce in counties where the court itself deems it necessary to "promote the public welfare by preserving, promoting, and protecting family life and the institution of matrimony". [15] While the Conciliation Court identifies children's rights to "both parents", it is used only to assist fathers take custody away from mothers and/or to otherwise gain inappropriate or illegal "access" to children.Enacting Conciliation Court Law gives the family court jurisdiction over domestic violence cases, in violation of appropriate family codes and "child's best interests" laws. For example, in California, while Family Code §3044 establishes a presumption that sole or joint custody for a parent convicted of domestic violence is not in the best interests of children, Conciliation Court codes are used not only to assist abusive men get custody, but to help them avoid criminal prosecution. [16]

Because blame is shifted to mothers by concealing evidence of paternal crimes against women and children, in the Conciliation Court, victims of abuse (not perpetrators) get convicted in accordance with PAS "threat therapy". [17] PAS court-ordered threats include jail terms for mothers and institutionalization of children to convince them that the abuse never occurred, but their mothers are crazy. [18] PAS threats have been linked to the death of at least one child. When forced to "choose" between visiting his violent father in a positive frame of mind, or having his mother jailed for his refusal, Nathan Grieco chose suicide instead. [19]

The Conciliation Court uses PAS methodology to give abusive men the legal upper hand. However, "shared parenting" has become the rallying cry of the fathers' rights movement, primarily because joint custody also means no child support obligations. When AFCC affiliates assist fathers get custody and get out of paying child support, they instigate frivolous litigation for their own financial gain. They take kickbacks and other improper payments to rig the outcomes of the cases. Judicial slush funds, such as the "hearts and flowers" fund exposed in Los Angeles Superior Court, are established using fees charged for child custody "training" seminars. [20]

Because Conciliation Court codes specify how funding is dispersed to the court itself, huge sums of money are diverted out of federal and state block grants by AFCC affiliates, in the guise of "amicable settlement of domestic and family controversies". [15] (See Codes 1800-1852). The National Fatherhood Initiative (NFI) was founded in 1994, to "lead a society-wide movement to confront the problem of father absence", i.e., to embed the fathers' rights agenda into government policies and programs. [21]

In 1995, former President Clinton issued executive orders that directed federal agencies to review and "modify" all family programs and initiatives serving primarily mothers and children, to include fathers and "strengthen their involvement" with children. [22] President George W. Bush, has appointed NFI founding officials to high level positions in the present Administration; Wade Horn is Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services and Don Eberly is in the White House Office of Faith Based Initiatives.

Under the control of these and other fathers' rights allies -- especially former OCSE Commissioner David Gray Ross (a frequent presenter for CRC) -- the federal Department of Health and Human Services Office of Child Support Enforcement has been turned into a men's custody agency. While publicly touted as "responsible fatherhood programs" official federal documents say the purpose of their programs is to provide noncustodial fathers with free attorneys to litigate for custody. [4]

AFCC affiliated experts who have established federal "model custody" programs using PAS methodology, include Joan Kelly, a founding official of CRC, and Judith Wallerstein of the Center for the Family in Transition. Richard Gardner originally based his PAS theory on Wallerstein's and Kelly's research. [23] Joan Kelly sets up family court services programs and trains judges and "special masters" (mediators with quasi-judicial authority), using Access to Visitation grant funding. She is also connected -- primarily through CRC -- to Michael Lamb, of the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development. Kelly and Lamb promote materials developed by Richard Gardner (and other pedophiliac experts), in conferences and seminars regarding "parenting time" and "alienation". [8]

Judith Wallerstein, is an advisor to NFI. According to CA NOW's "Family Court Report 2002", in 1986, Wallerstein provided testimony -- along with David Levy of CRC -- to the House committee on Children, Youth and Families. regarding the "problems of single female parent families". [24]Members of Wallerstein's Center for the Family in Transition and Kelly's Northern CA Mediation Center, have "reformulated" PAS as "alienated children", possibly to distance themselves from Richard Gardner. However, in addition to being connected to some of the most egregious local (Marin County, CA) PAS cases, as the "Northern CA Task Force on the Alienated Child", their group promotes PAS custody switching methods and "threat therapy" at AFCC conferences around the country and the world. [25]Wallerstein, Horn, Eberly and others connected to NFI, CRC and AFCC have expanded the Conciliation Court agenda to include not only divorce prevention, but marriage promotion. By merging conciliation court and fathers' rights agendas with a "faith based" marriage "movement", they call for even more federal programs promoting "two-parent" families, through "marriage initiatives" funded by TANF/Welfare grants. [26]

In the guise of reducing poverty and promoting child welfare, women are forced to stay married and mothers are punished for seeking divorces. In the guise of amicable custody resolution, federal programs enforce the systematic abuse of women and children. The pretense is that government programs produce responsible fathers and healthy families. The reality is that federally funded misogyny and pedophile protection programs are lining the pockets of corrupted court officials and appointees.

For further information, visit the website of the National Alliance for Family Court Justice at http://nafcj.net

Cindy Ross
California Director National Alliance for Family Court Justice

Freaky Fathers

For some time now, it seems that James "Sinkiss" Smith has dedicated most of his waking hours to researching me, while compiling my own works at one easy to access location on the Web at the stopcindynowblogspot.

Thanks James!

Now, I'd like to extend the same courtesy, and re-post some of James' material, that others -- like Judge Eileen Olds -- may not have had the opportunity to see.

http://aja.ncsc.dni.us/benchmk/Vol28No2/BMPage2.pdf

I'd also like to invite my friends at NAFCJ, and any of James' other research subjects, to get in touch with Bobby H., who offered his assistance in July 2007, and has provided contact information, if you would like to get in touch with him:

Forwarded Message:

Subj: Judge Olds
Date: 7/24/2007 2:19:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time
From: rhatchell@cityofchesapeake.net
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Ms. Ross,

I read your email that you sent to our JDR court... I'm a detective and have looked at these blogs that Smith has posted in the past in ref. to Judge Olds. I would like to talk to you and see what information you may have on this Smith guy... My direct number is 757-382-8834. If you need to verify that I am who I say I am the main number for the police department is 757-382-6161. If you receive my voicemail just leave me a contact number and the best time to contact you and I will make arrangements to do so.

Thanks,

Bobby Hatchell
Detective RS Hatchell
Chesapeake Police DepartmentHomicide
Unit304 Albemarle Drive
Chesapeake, VA 23322(757)382-8834

*********************************************************************************
There's plenty more -- including copies of documents that have since been removed from the Internet -- but I thought I'd start with some of James' offers of service to other men. What a guy!

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Resolution 2466 Denounces Use of PAS

In 2006, at my request, the Fairfax Town Council unanimously passed and adopted Resolution 2466, an anti-PAS resolution which calls for revision of California's Conciliation Court Law and the federal Violence Against Women Act, to provide for proper adjudication of domestic and child abuse cases in both family and criminal court.

http://nafcj.net/fairfax.htm

Everyone should be trying to get similar resolutions passed in their own towns, cities and counties. Please contact me for further information.

Cindy Ross
CA Director
National Alliance for Family Court Justice
nafcjcal@aol.com

Family Sex and Freedom

I sent the following letter to the Marin Independent Journal, after they printed National Coalition of Free Men, Los Angeles chapter president Marc Angelucci's letter: Click here: Marin Independent Journal - Monday Readers' Forum.

"As California Director of the National Alliance for Family Court Justice, I was interviewed for Family Court , (Crisis: Our Children at Risk, a documentary produced by the Center for Judicial Excellence which describes how parental alienation syndrome (PAS) legal maneuvering is used to mishandle domestic and child abuse cases as family court custody disputes. A 12 minute trailer of the film can be viewed online here:

http://www.centerforjudicialexcellence.org/cjefldocumentaryvnr.htm

PAS was coined as a legal defense of child molesters by a forensic psychiatrist whose main areas of expertise were sex abuse allegations, pedophilia, and other sexual paraphilias. Richard Gardner committed suicide in 2003, the same year the American Prosecutors Research Institute identified PAS as obstructing prosecution of abuse cases, while threatening the integrity of the criminal justice system and the safety of abused children:

http://cincinnatipas.com/dr-richardgardnerautopsy.html

http://www.ndaa.org/publications/newsletters/update_volume_16_number_6_2003.html
http://www.ndaa-apri.org/publications/newsletters/update_volume_16_number_7_2003.html

While it is true that both men and women can perpetrate or be victims of domestic violence, I read the letter from the president of the Los Angeles Chapter of the National Coalition of Free Men with disgust. PAS was originally crafted to be used against mothers reporting abuse. While NCFM portends to be fighting discrimination against men, they are actually an anti-feminist organization trying to justify shifting blame to women by legitimizing PAS. Abusive men routinely seek assistance from "men's rights" groups like NCFM because they believe they can get actual incidents of abuse dismissed as false allegations, specifically by claiming anti-father bias.

I am not accusing Mark Angelucci personally. However, while he cites out of context statistics, he fails to mention that NCFM's agenda largely revolves around sexual freedom. According to the NCFM website, men should be free, "...From conflict between their polygamous sexual conditioning as youths, and society's expectation that they will overcome that conditioning after marriage" and "...From preoccupation with sexual technique and from imperatives to concentrate on satisfying their partners sexually, seemingly at the expense of their own sexual pleasure".

Mr. Angelucci also fails to disclose the close relationship between NCFM, the co-president of the National Organization for Men -- who was interviewed by Penthouse Magazine about incest -- and the NOM vice president (a prominent fathers' rights blogger) who censors anyone asking questions about the relevance of "family sex" to men's "freedom" groups.

This is a link from the NAFCJ website to "Incest: The Last Taboo", by Philip Nobile: Warren Farrell's 1977 Penthouse Interview, "Incest: The Last Taboo . Read it for yourself and decide what was "really" said and what this "really" means."

Warren Farrell's 1977 Penthouse Interview

Warren Farrell's 1977 Penthouse Interview, "Incest: The Last Taboo

Because the original version is a bit fuzzy in places, here's the transcribed version which Farrell allegedly disputes as libel.

Compare the two. You decide who's telling the truth.